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September 13th 2018
05:02:06 AM
Your Name  

Kate Powley

Your Location  

Australia

Years of Shorthand  

50

N.Era/Pit2K/Tee/Grg/??  

New Era, Pitmanscript, Pitman 2000

Your Comments  

I have a lot of books from when I taught shorthand in the 1970/80s, many of which I would think are quite rare. I\'m not looking to make money from them but happy for them to find an appreciative home. I would just want the postage costs covered. Unfortunately books are expensive to post. I also have a large amount of Office Skills and Memo magazines and I\'m reluctant to have to put them in the recycling bin. Is anyone interested in these at just the postage costs? Thanks, Kate

(=Best place to post this information is on the Shorthand Writing page facebook dot com /groups/2387439844 where people can message each other securely. If you do so, I will add a note here for readers to follow.

Other than that, Ebay.au mighty catch more Australian readers looking for shorthand books, and if there is a large number of mags, then split up into smaller lots to encourage buyers. I agree, the magazines need a good home, too precious to waste!

Ebay.uk has many more shorthand books than Ebay.au and that will give you an idea of rarity or not, and what people are asking for them. BP)

   
August 29th 2018
02:18:12 PM
Your Name  

Mark

Your Location  

New Jersey, USA

Years of Shorthand  

Can't say zero anymore

N.Era/Pit2K/Tee/Grg/??  

N.Era

Your Comments  

I\'m trying to find a good outline for \'bootstrap\'. It\'s used today as a verb and an adjective, so a single, unbroken outline seems best. But the obvious one has three descenders. Do you have any thoughts? I had the idea of representing the \'str\' with a clockwise stee loop, branching the final pee off it. Does this break too many rules?

(=In fact 4 downstrokes. Yes, your suggestion breaks the rules, the sound is not Ster, and that type of join does not exist in the system. Such a join would quickly deteriorate at speed, which is a high priority for outline formation. A stroke after a medial Stee or Ster needs to make a sharp angle that remains clear e.g. drastic, elastic, testing, masterpiece, upholsterer. Stee and Ster cannot change sides/direction for convenience, like medial S and Ses do (desk, accessory), therefore clockwise would suggest an N before it.

Non-theory suggestions are: halving the B for the T (although an initial thick stroke is not halved for a T, nor thin for D, except for a few distinguishing outlines, but doing that would shorten it) or you could omit the T of boot, as “boo-strap”. Sticking to the rules, I would disjoin this word, writing each part as a separate outline, each in its own correct position. Descending by a depth of 3 downstrokes is acceptable e.g. “boot-tree, boatbuilder, pedestrian, paediatric, sheepfold (3½), shock-troops, thundercloud”, but 4 downstrokes is worth splitting up.

I do not recommend learners use any non-theory outlines. Personal versions of outlines should be used sparingly for words that come up frequently, for specific terminology within a particular line of work, and adopted only after gaining experience in the work, careful thinking through and caution. Learners taking shorthand exams need to stick to the rules and shorthand dictionary, as the marking may include outlines, as well as a correct transcript. BP)

   
August 25th 2018
04:54:01 AM
Your Name  

Wayne Jones

Your Location  

Australia

Years of Shorthand  

Beginner

N.Era/Pit2K/Tee/Grg/??  

N.Era

Your Comments  

What I find disheartening is the lack of worthwhile reading material. Where are all the classic novels in Pitman\'s? A search online only takes you to overpriced second hand copies if you can find one. I would have thought people would have translated more books and posted them online; just some thoughts.

(= They are all now collectibles due to their age and there were never a large number of them. See the Links page on my Reading website for 4 literary books in New Era from archive.org. It is always worth checking that website from time to time to see if any more New Era books are being added.

For further reading material you will have to look for the other books such as shorthand review, speed building, 700 common words and reading practice books in the form of business letters, short articles etc, which may be less expensive. Be careful with “shorthand dictation” books, as sometimes they are just text but no shorthand.

Publishing online has its obstacles - permission to reproduce the text, the proficiency, time and effort it would take to produce an entire book in perfect shorthand with 100% correct outlines, and then the possibility that the PDF will be taken for commercial gain by those with no right to do so. It would also be quite alarming to find mistakes once it is online and has been downloaded worldwide! Pitman’s published books never have shorthand mistakes, a good reason to hunt them down regardless of the type of contents. I think my blogs may make it appear to be a quick process but it is quite time consuming to ensure all is correct and learners are not given wrong or unclear outlines. Best wishes for your continued studies and book hunting. BP)

   
August 17th 2018
01:30:19 PM
Your Name  

Angie Davies

Your Location  

Llandeilo

Years of Shorthand  

50

N.Era/Pit2K/Tee/Grg/??  

N.Era

Your Comments  

Hi Beryl, Since I last commented, I have done a workshop with some ladies and children incorporating Pitman\'s Shorthand into artwork, using bright Sharpie pens. They used their favourite quotes! They had fun and so did I. I am also trying now to do some embroidery using Shorthand. Keeping it alive, eh?

(=Yes indeed, the embroidery and artwork will last a lot longer than anything on a notepad, and will certainly intrigue someone in the future, and maybe get them interested. Well done for having such a good idea. BP)

   
August 16th 2018
02:54:32 AM
Your Name  

Joanne Rogers

Your Location  

Australia

Years of Shorthand  

43 years

N.Era/Pit2K/Tee/Grg/??  

New Era, Pitmanscript amd Teeline

Your Comments  

I have been teaching Shorthand for 40 years and am still amazed that I am still teaching it today. Your blog has allowed me to reacquaint myself with Pitman as I converted to Teeline twenty years ago to focus on Journalists. I now have a little more time on my hands so have committed to refresh my Pitman skills and hopefully spread the word to others as I see it as great tool to keep the brain active.

(=That is the whole idea of the blog and indeed all the material on the sites, not only for refreshing but also to encourage and provide practice material for those who are thinking of learning. BP)

   
July 24th 2018
11:50:53 PM
Your Name  

Heather Simpson

Your Location  

Canberra, Australia

Years of Shorthand  

50

N.Era/Pit2K/Tee/Grg/??  

New Era

Your Comments  

I\'ve just discovered you! Wonderful to meet others with a love of Pitman\'s Shorthand.

(To learn it is to love it. BP)

   
July 2nd 2018
09:52:10 AM
Your Name  

Jill

Your Location  

UK

Years of Shorthand  

a few months of Pit2K many years ago

N.Era/Pit2K/Tee/Grg/??  

N.Era

Your Comments  

I was looking for ways to pick up on the Pit2K and found your site which has inspired me to take up N.Era. I\'ve received 3 Noobler pens with ink and pads and an old Teach Yourself New Era has been ordered from Amazon. I\'m set to go and have promised myself the next 3 months at least 1 hour a day practice. Without your website I wouldn\'t have had this information or the inspiration so thank you, thank you, thank you. All best wishes, Jill xx

(=That\'s great, do let me know how you get on. I think that as your time with Pit2K was so brief it should not interfere with changing to New Era. BP)

   
March 30th 2018
09:15:57 AM
Your Name  

Linda Gilbert

Your Location  

New Zealand

Years of Shorthand  

1973-75

N.Era/Pit2K/Tee/Grg/??  

New Era I think

Your Comments  

Hello

Thank you so much for this great website. I love reacquainting myself with the outlines. I still use shorthand and it literally saved my life. I was able to get a job when our mother died unexpectedly and so pay rent and put food on the table. I have a fondness for it giving me my first career.

I saw a wonderful quote on your site last year about the qualities needed by stenographers, but can’t find it after looking for some time. It said something about tenacity and intelligence I think and you’d also written it in shorthand- I wondered if you might remind me what it said please?

Thanks again for this superb resource.

kind regards
Linda

(=I think it might be the blog \"Making A Start\" 25 Jan 2015. If you use the Reading website search box for \"tenacity\", all the other places that word appears will come up as well.

Pitman\'s does seem to produce a fondness in its writers, especially when it has proved its worth in real life use, and it then becomes a trusted \"old friend\". I hope that present-day students will persevere until they get to that happy state.

Glad you enjoy it all, and I think it must be New Era that you learned as you would have noticed a lot of differences if it had been Pitman 2000. BP)

   
March 26th 2018
05:26:01 PM
Your Name  

Katie

Your Location  

Virginia, USA

Years of Shorthand  

1

N.Era/Pit2K/Tee/Grg/??  

New Era

Your Comments  

I am an archivist\'s assistant and was given an collection of diaries from the American Civil War to process. The man who wrote the diaries was a lawyer and so wrote in Pitman in some sections of his diaries. Learning Pitman in order to make these diaries accessible has been challenging but absolutely fascinating and although I\'m reading an antiquated version of Pitman, this website has been extremely helpful! Thanks so much!

(= Well done on that achievement, and I am glad my website has helped. I have had in mind to find out and document the changes over the various historical versions of Pitman\'s, although that would be quite a project but I think well worth doing at some time. BP)

   
February 11th 2018
06:54:25 AM
Your Name  

Ben Gosling

Your Location  

Suffolk UK

Years of Shorthand  

intermittent

N.Era/Pit2K/Tee/Grg/??  

n.Era

Your Comments  

It\'s happened again, Beryl: your most recent blog just shows blanks where shorthand ought to be. I don\'t think it\'s anything I\'m doing wrong.

(=Many thanks, fixed now. Sorry for late action, Bravenet didn\'t advise me of post pending, which is unusual for them. I am putting down this problem to some glitch in Google Photos, as I always go through and check each blog once it is published, but in future I will have to check them again at intervals, as obviously this could occur at any time subsequently. Thank you for your help. BP)

   


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