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A discriminating intellect is that in which knowledge based only on words, real knowledge and ordinary knowledge based on sense perception or reasoning are present in a mixed state and the mind alternates between them.

"When the time of destruction is at hand the intellect becomes perverted." Vridha Chan. 16:17.
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Five Tests of true religion - Feb 08, 2002
  1. It (revelation) must exist in its entirety from the very beginning of creation for all of mankind, and not over a long period of time after.
    Oppose - It is unjust of Yahwe, Allah and Christ, to deprive millions born before the revelation of the Ten Commandments, the Q'uran, and the New Testament of His 'divine wisdom'. An injustice which cannot be the work of a Just, Compassionate and Merciful God.
  2. It must conform with (immutable) Natural laws
  3. Oppose - The cause of the physical body is the reproductive element - any other method as man was created from dust or blood-clot and all other miracles of God and Prophets are a breach to this law.
  4. It must be in harmony with reasoning.
    Oppose - Incest which results in mental and physical infirmities, is an immoral action and it had to be the same also in the beginning (creation of one man and one woman).
  5. It must be in harmony with science.
    Oppose - Modern science has proven creation to be more than 6,000 years old, the earth is spherical and it rotates and revolves, contradictions to the Torah, Bible and Q'uran.
  6. Its truth must be confirmed by four evidences :-
  • Direct Cognition - Not all that is known by perception can be true.
  • Inferences - God is eternal therefore we can infer that there were past creations and as well as there will be future ones.
  • Testimony - The testimonies of Rishis, sages and seers of the Vedas (altruistic teachers are all in harmony with each other.
  • History - There are many books (Mahabharata, Valmiki's Ramayan) and source of other civilization which speak of the past ancient Vedic (Aryas) civilization of 5,000 years ago and earlier.

Let's be reasonable when it comes the most abstruse science of God (wisdom), the ignorant (by repenting) and the wise (by austerity) can never reap the same rewards.


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How did Charles Darwin find out about evolution?

He found out about evolution, in part, because his grandfather wrote a book about it.

Many people suspected that evolution happened, just by looking at the known species and fossils. The problem was that nobody could work out how it happened, If you come up with a novel idea, particularly one that contradicts the state religion, you had better have a good explanation of the mechanism, or other people ae going to mock you pretty heavily.

What Charles Darwin came up with was not the idea of evolution, but the Theory of Natural Selection, a very concrete explanation of how evolution happened. And he did that by looking at isolated areas, such as the Galapagos islands, and seeing how a single species seemed to have spread out to take advantage of many opportunities, because there were not other species already occupying them.

Re: How did Charles Darwin find out about evolution?

The theory of natural selection is indicative of nature's imperfections. According to it Nature is still improving. This theory points out the absence in Nature at present of the best forms that it will produce in the future. Progression is always downward, a law.

Who in the West understood the functions of natural laws?
"But there is another prejudice which is cherished by many scholars evidently under the impression of its being a well-recognized scientific doctrine. It is that in the ruder stages of civilization, when the laws of nature are little known and but little understood, when mankind has not enough of the experience of the world, strict methods of correct reasoning are very seldom observed." Swami Dayanand

Einstein agrees - "We see the universe marvelously arranged and obeying certain laws but only dimly understand these laws."
Scholars of theology, except the Aryas, have no understanding at all and for those of science, it is dim. Evolution Debunked

Re: How did Charles Darwin find out about evolution?

Your second statement is incorrect and incompatible with evolutionary theory. Evolution is not about producing better and better forms of life. It is about existing life fitting more completely into it’s environmental niche, or changing over generations to fit into a changing environment.
When you start with a faulty premise, your conclusions are likely to wrong.

Re: How did Charles Darwin find out about evolution?

It would have been sensible of you to inquire about the laws of nature to better understand where the two gentlemen (Dayanand & Einstein) I quoted stood on evolution or even better you could have commented on my debate.
Your response tells me, you’ve given up on learning because you already think you know.

Re: How did Charles Darwin find out about evolution?

I read before I commented. But asking a person who is spewing nonsense why they are spewing nonsense is a waste of time.

Re: How did Charles Darwin find out about evolution?

So now, would you say Dr. Wallace is also spewing nonsense?

Here is one of the major problems of theory of evolution - who taught our ancestors to talk and count? "Science without religion is lame;..." Albert Einstein

One of the originators of the Physical Evolution Theory, Dr. A. R. Wallace was the first to strike down the Social Evolution Theory. He rightly affirmed that: "The Veda admittedly the oldest book in the library of mankind contains the essential teachings of the most advanced religious thinkers and is a vast system of religious teachings which are pure and lofty."

He further wrote in "Social Environment and Moral Progress," strongly refuting the social and moral evolution theory:

"In the earliest records which have come down to us from the past, we find ample indications that accepted standard of morality and the conduct resulting from these were in no degree inferior to those which prevail today, though in some respects, they were different from ours. The wonderful collection of hymns known as the Vedas are a vast system of religious teachings as pure and lofty as those of the finest portions of the Hebrew Scriptures. Its authors were fully our equals in their conception of the universe and the Deity expressed in the finest poetic language."

"In it (Veda) we find many of the essential teachings of the most advanced religious thinkers." "We must admit that the mind which conceived and expressed inappropriate language, such ideas as are everywhere present in those Vedic hymns, could not have been inferior to those of the best of our religious teachers and poets to our Milton, Shakespeare, and Tennyson." Evolution Debunked

"Men are born ignorant, not stupid; they are made stupid by education." Bertrand Russell