You've got a lot of posts on this site, but you're missing one. Also, there are many issues, you do know just saying you debunked something doesn't mean it's fact, right?

Do I even need to look further into this value judgement article when your first 2 points of the "Islam Debunked" are baseless? Your first sentence is essentially (without you explicitly saying it) "Islam is false because the muslims I have talked to don't want to engage in my frivolous discussions". What is the point of that start? Just get to the logic.

Now for your 5 reasons I guess.

1. Already starting with lies on the islamic stance, the islamic stance has always been that Islam began with Adam, and was present for all of human history, I don't even know how you don't know this but it just shows how willfully ignorant you are.

2. What does this even mean, you understand at some point the physical body had to be made in a way you can't understand? What do you think happens when you go back down the line, there are just infinite humans having intercourse with no beginning? Or if they are just poofed into existence is that not also a breach to this law, matter coming from nothing. Or maybe the hindu concept is everything is god right, so transforming part of the eternal entity into a human body is not a falsehood?

3. Idk how you came up with this, what is your reasoning that "incest" had to be immoral at the start, are there just going to be 4 people at least who are the first people? I mean the people were obviously not the same when they were at the start of humanity, is that complex to you?

4. Congratulations, you are using a christian talking point that is never mentioned in the Quran at all.... To debunk the Quran. Why is this not even the first time I've seen someone use this argument, it's actually crazy.
5. I'm not even going to address this incoherent nonsense.

"Where's your debunking hinduism video?"
Debunking Hinduism
"Qur'an...an accursed book... So long as there is this book there will be no peace in the world." Will Gladstone - Prime Minister of Great Britain

"Just get to the logic."
If a Muslim could apply logic there would be peace throughout the world.

"Islam began with Adam"
I am an Arya because of the Vedas, a Hindu - Puranas, a Jew - Torah, a Christian - Bible, a Muslim - Qu'ran, a Sikh - Guru Granth Sahib, Adam - ?

"What do you think happens when you go back down the line,"
I can never make sense to the ignorant, because they don't know they are ignorant.

"what is your reasoning that "incest" had to be immoral at the start"
The cause of mental and physical infirmities is incest, which is presently most prevalent in Muslim communities where they cohabit with close relatives.

", you are using a christian talking point that is never mentioned in the Quran at all.... To debunk the Quran."
Both the Torah and Bible speak of the earth being flat and the Qu'ran says the same. "One day we shall remove mountains, and thou wilt see the earth as a level stretch..." Sura 18:47 One of us is indeed crazy and it's surely not me.

" incoherent nonsense."
Why didn't Allah create 4 wives for Adam?

Again starting with meaningless delusional and illogical statements. Funny you are talking about muslims using logic and then making a statement like that, are the Russians and Ukrainians at war because 0 muslims can't use logic? Did hitler kill the Jews because muslim couldn't use logic? Imagine what would be the case of your ancestors if muslims didn't prevent the Mongols from spreading into India.

I'll go through your 5 responses I guess, but it doesn't seem like you understand I wrote my 5 as a response to your islam debunked page?

1. Idk what this response is, you have a flaw listed with Islam on your site that Islam is false because it only started 1400 years ago with the revelation of the Quran. That is not the Islamic position, don't randomly now start mentioning the religious adherents of today and what books they follow. Adam is mentioned because the Islamic position is that he is the first prophet to his people, right when humanity started, so it denies your point that people in the past never had a chance. A muslim is one who submits, it's not the same as Christian - follower of Christ or Judaism - follower of Judah but Islam is just those who submit, which Adam did and the people with him.

2. "I can never make sense to the ignorant, because they don't know they are ignorant." You think this is profound or something but it's really just stupid. Everyone is ignorant before they gain knowledge, that's the base state of man. You can't make sense to a child because they don't have the knowledge you have? No, that just makes you unable to speak properly. This is especially dumb since I am asking you what happens and you are saying "I don't know I don't know". What do you think asking a question is implying?

3. This doesn't answer at all my claim or what you quoted of me. I'm asking at the start, when (islamically) it's two people and their early descendents specifically designed with their partner, and you are bringing up today when it's obviously forbidden to marry your siblings. I don't exactly know what the next part of your claim is, if you are referring to cousins you know that isn't incest right? And also do you have any evidence for this wild claim that they are dumb and deformed much higher than others? I know there are some IQ maps but those are also the exact same as the economic development maps and all the trends show as they develop their IQ will go up (even though low IQ doesn't prove anything except the farmers were not taught in school the same things the IQ is testing, not that they are actually dumb).

4. It must be in harmony with science.
Oppose - Modern science has proven creation to be more than 6,000 years old a contradiction to the Q'uran since its concept of creation was drawn out of the Biblical revelation.
Okay just ignore your entire claim right, that would be fine but first admit you're a liar before I go onto your next lie, which will also be easy to debunk. We can't go down your infinite trail every time I beat one you bring another weak argument, choose your arguments better.
5. Why are you bringing up Adam here? And how does him having 4 wives change anything...? It just makes things worse because then people could claim they are from a superior wives line, but the beauty is we are all from the same 2 people.

It is no use going further. Bramha has no cure for a fool. Believers are fools and they can't change because whatever they believe in they think it is the truth.

"Everyone is ignorant before they gain knowledge,"
How can a book (Qu'ran) that says the earth is flat gives anyone knowledge?
"One day we shall remove mountains, and thou wilt see the earth as a level stretch..." Sura 18:47

As I said if a Muslim can think peace would reign all over earth.
"Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience." Mark Twain

Bye

Okay, give up when refuted, not surprised.

The quran also is not stating the earth is truly flat like a piece of paper in space, but its pretty clear from a humans perspective it is, especially if all mountains were removed, you're not just going to see the curvature.

Muslim scientists were using globe earth models more than a thousand years ago.

You're old and have probably spewed so much hate, but you're not dead yet, so try and use reason, you won't have any excuses to give soon.

"Okay, give up when refuted"
What do you not understand when I say there is no cure for a fool?

but its pretty clear from a humans perspective it is
This simply means that the Torah, Bible & Qu'ran were not revelation from Good and were all written by ignorant men who saw it flat. God would know it was spherical and would revealed it that way.

A fool cannot make sense of anything sensible.
Try it one more time!

The sentiment goes both ways, except one of us actually responded and the other has shown no ability to reason beyond what he grew up with.

For a fool, it is both ways. But for the rational mind it is one way and to be that way it began with reasoning.
I rejected what I grew up with at age of 15, but I moved on.

Oh okay, you don't really seem to have good understanding, unless you're saying you think i'm a fool but I don't think you are? Thats what one way would mean. Alzheimers maybe?

Anyway im a bit curious now, what is this arya religion? Are there actually a lot of followers? Ive never heard of it before.

"you don't really seem to have good understanding"
Man, you don't get it! How would a fool know what is good or bad understanding?

"unless you're saying you think i'm a fool but I don't think you are?"
I don't "think" you're a fool, I'm sure you're one, and if don't think I'm one what am I then?


"Thats what one way would mean. Alzheimers maybe?"
To a fool it maybe Alzheimers, but to the learned it is wisdom.

''what is this arya religion?''k
Curiosity kills the cat. You have to be inquisitive and it begins with rejecting your present belief. That's how I started.
I already gave you link to my faith.

We are getting caught up now for some reason but I will try to explain it slowly for you.

You called me a fool. I said the sentiment goes both ways, that means I am calling you a fool. Then you said for some reason "For a fool it is both ways, but for the rational mind it is one way and to be that way it began with reasoning". A response that can only be the result of very strange understanding, I guess because you think it's impossible someone thinks you are stupid. Anyway, I then tried to explain that I was saying I think you are also a fool, but maybe I didn't say it the best way.

Anyway you're right curiosity kills the cat, I have never heard of this likely ethno religion ever before, no reason to look into it now when my only introduction to it is you, a hateful old man. Also obviously I'm not going to reject my present belief without evidence lol, what? Do you reject Arya every time you find a new religion to debunk, that's not how that works.

"I am calling you a fool."
You have to call me a fool because that's what kafirs are to Muslims, but that doesn't change who you are.
"Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish." Euripides

"a hateful old man"
Truth is hateful to a fool.
"No one is more hated than the one who speaks the truth." Plato

"Do you reject Arya"
If I do I will be rejecting the truth. I did comparative studies of all religions to come to this conclusion. You, on the other hand, can't do that because it is haram to read the books of infidels. This is why you will remain a fool until you die and after that your soul moves on to millions & millions of painful births as scavengers (rats, cockroaches, snakes, hyenas, et.) before you come back as a human again (re-incarnation).

You understand those quotes are meaningless right? No, you probably don't, oh well.

Wouldn't millions be too much, or do you really think humans will be around for another 1000 years at least, and that's assuming every life as a rat I only live like a week, usually the avg lifespan is like 2 years though.

Also what do you think is going to happen to you after death? And another also, why do you keep making up lies about Islam? What sort of religious studies did you do where all your points against it are lies, and every time you speak about it you lie "haram to read the books of infidels" give me the evidence for that? Spoiler alert there is none, that's why plenty of scholars do read them and easily debunk them, a 9 year old boy could debunk every other religion solely based on what they say of themselves.

This again is not going anywhere, but do tell me what is your biggest issue with Islam and muslims? If you had to pick one main reason, what would it be that you think all muslims are stupid and should be animals for thousands of years?

This is my guess okay, you only want to follow a religion that comes from india #1, and #2 you get really frustrated that muslims are steadfast in their faith and you have only at best been able to convince the drunkard "muslims" to become arya. Let's face it every other religion's followers are not exactly devout and I think we can agree on that at least even if you think Islam is false.

"You understand those quotes are meaningless right?"
Of course they are meaningless to a fool. Those men of ancient philosophical thoughts suffered persecution from fools for being truthful.

"Also what do you think is going to happen to you after death?"
I don't "think", I know with every birth from now on my soul rises to higher level until moksha (salvation). Moksha is without a body, so there is no food, rivers of wine, milk & honey and virgins. In other words, no *******, ******* and ****ting.

"why do you keep making up lies about Islam?"
Islam is all lies, it is the reason you're a fool. Do you really think there are horses with wings, wine, milk & honey flow in rivers and virgins? Look at the wider picture, for 1 billion Muslim males that is 72 billion virgins and this applies to this century only. So from 14 century to now it's 1000x72,000,000,000 virgins. What about the population growth? Is your paradise big enough to feed trillions for all eternity?

"you lie "haram to read the books of infidels" give me the evidence for that?"
You're the evidence! Why haven't you read about my philosophy yet?

"what is your biggest issue with Islam and muslims?"
You are free to believe in what you want to believe, but end extremism, hate, plundering, murdering, raping, stoning, making loud noises early in the morning, protesting & harassing women. In other words, be like the Muslims in Emirates, Oman, Qatar, etc. "O ye who believe! Take not for friends unbelievers rather than believers....." Sura 4:144

"you only want to follow a religion that comes from india #1,"
"Many Hindus believe that all their sins are washed away by having a dip in the holy water of the Ganges. Thus it is seen that the great philosophical religion which conceived the unity of God, in the beginning, brought up corruption and degradation of high ideas when His attributes as the Creator, the Preserver, and the Destroyer were divided and allotted to different deities possessing separate entities in different forms. Swami Dayananda Saraswati a man of great learning started preaching the old Religion of the Vedas, which conceived Unity of God." Sir Yamin Khan

"India is the cradle of the human race, the birthplace; human speech, the mother of history, grandmother of legend, and great grandmother of tradition. Our most valuable and most instructive materials in the history of man are treasured up in India only." Mark Twain, the world's leading anthropologist.

"We owe a lot to Indians, who taught us how to count, without which no worthwhile scientific discovery could have been made." Albert Einstein

"I‘m convinced that everything has come down to us from the banks of the Ganges, astronomy, astrology, metempsychosis, etc. It doesn’t behoove us, who were only savages and barbarians when these Indian people were civilized & learned, to dispute their antiquity." Voltaire

Hahaha, I like how you didn't even dispute what I said, you just want to follow the religion of your people. Also, isn't the Ganges extremely filthy these days, I think I saw videos and it was like raw sewage but thousands or more were in it smiling, real civilized. I also saw a video of people literally worshiping the rats you said I would become, really interesting religion.

Also mentioning the good things about India is just a red herring, idk why you are capable of discussing normally. I never said anything bad about the place, but at the same time you should know many different areas had their own advancements, the Europeans were uniquely savage though I believe. Iraq, Egypt, China, these were all definitely on par with India.

You know India has serious rape problems right, unlike literally every muslim country where a rapist would get capital punishment, you guys basically let them walk free.

Also why did you mention 14th century lol, you mean 1400 years ago? Anyway, why do you keep saying illogical things, I'm mentioning will humanity be around 1000 years from now on earth, and you're asking will the afterlife be big enough... Your ancestors were pioneers in astronomy, but you don't seem to understand how vast just this current life is, so how would the afterlife struggle according to any sane person.

Also have any of those problems of muslims actually affected you? You had muslims come throw rocks at you?

And why do you keep avoiding anywhere where you are proven wrong, doesn't make for fruitful discussion.

Do you know you will achieve moksha after your death? hehehe it's kind of funny to imagine you smiling as you lay in bed with your last breath thinking "Stupid muslims, I will now become a god", will be the last time you ever smile if that is how you die.

"I like how you didn't even dispute what I said"
How a fool knows what is a dispute in religion? For the past 25 years I've done nothing else but disputing religions.

"isn't the Ganges extremely filthy these days"
Glad you brought it up! The water of Ganges was of immense purity but since the invasion of India by Muslims it has become "extremely filthy" over the past 1000 years, and the sad news is, with the Muslim population growing not only India is in serious trouble but whole world.
Only the other day on social media the Emir of UAE has warned Europe, Canada and the USA that they heading into a huge crisis by inviting "trash" (extremists) that he doesn't tolerate in his country, into their countries.
But now, I think even the Emir have a bigger problem, what if the "trash" ends up in Paradise, it would be the bigger crisis which would last for all eternity.

"really interesting religion."
True, that's in my dialogue with Hindus also, but what you don't know, Muslims are in deeper **** than they are.

"many different areas had their own advancements"
True, but credit goes to India, not Mecca, for being the origin of all learning (civilization, language, mathematics etc. It was called Aryavarta then.

"You know India has serious rape problems"
Well what you expect when the population of Muslims is over 250 million, more than any other country in the world?

"muslims actually affected you? You had muslims come throw rocks at you?"
Wisdom is freedom. I've been threatened with fatwa and I'm still laughing.

"doesn't make for fruitful discussion"
What would be the benefit of a fruitful discussion? Neither of us would change.
"Only the wisest and the stupidest of men would never change." Confucius

"Do you know you will achieve moksha after your death?"
I'm even more certain than you are of 72virgins, rivers of wine, milk & honey.

"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy.
The effects are apparent in many countries, improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live." Winston Churchill

Me: "It is no use going further."
Bye!

You: "Okay, give up when refuted, not surprised."

Me: What happened now, who is the one giving up?

I am giving up because like you said, I am proving my own stupidity by engaging with you.

I have refuted almost everything you have mentioned and you just ignore it all.

The last thing was you have proven yourself to be primarily focused on your own ancestry, and then you quote churchill, I then give you 3 quotes on how evil of a person churchill was SPECIFICALLY to your own people, and you ignore that as well.

Your hate for islam even lets you ignore others that hate you

"I am proving my own stupidity by engaging with you"
Apparently it isn't working, you're still stupid.
Prove Confucius wrong - "Only the wisest and the stupidest of men never change."

"I have refuted almost everything you have mentioned and you just ignore it all."
You're in no position to refute one who has done comparative studies of all religions by just having knowledge of only one religion.

"how evil of a person churchill was SPECIFICALLY to your own people"
Churchill was evil alright, but he was rational. He is right about Islam and he is also right about Hindus, the same way I see it.