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A discriminating intellect is that in which knowledge based only on words, real knowledge and ordinary knowledge based on sense perception or reasoning are present in a mixed state and the mind alternates between them.

"When the time of destruction is at hand the intellect becomes perverted." Vridha Chan. 16:17.
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Five Tests of true religion - Feb 08, 2002
  1. It (revelation) must exist in its entirety from the very beginning of creation for all of mankind, and not over a long period of time after.
    Oppose - It is unjust of Yahwe, Allah and Christ, to deprive millions born before the revelation of the Ten Commandments, the Q'uran, and the New Testament of His 'divine wisdom'. An injustice which cannot be the work of a Just, Compassionate and Merciful God.
  2. It must conform with (immutable) Natural laws
  3. Oppose - The cause of the physical body is the reproductive element - any other method as man was created from dust or blood-clot and all other miracles of God and Prophets are a breach to this law.
  4. It must be in harmony with reasoning.
    Oppose - Incest which results in mental and physical infirmities, is an immoral action and it had to be the same also in the beginning (creation of one man and one woman).
  5. It must be in harmony with science.
    Oppose - Modern science has proven creation to be more than 6,000 years old, the earth is spherical and it rotates and revolves, contradictions to the Torah, Bible and Q'uran.
  6. Its truth must be confirmed by four evidences :-
  • Direct Cognition - Not all that is known by perception can be true.
  • Inferences - God is eternal therefore we can infer that there were past creations and as well as there will be future ones.
  • Testimony - The testimonies of Rishis, sages and seers of the Vedas (altruistic teachers are all in harmony with each other.
  • History - There are many books (Mahabharata, Valmiki's Ramayan) and source of other civilization which speak of the past ancient Vedic (Aryas) civilization of 5,000 years ago and earlier.

Let's be reasonable when it comes the most abstruse science of God (wisdom), the ignorant (by repenting) and the wise (by austerity) can never reap the same rewards.


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God

By answering who created HIM, would be a good start. Don’t you think?

Re: God

By answering who created HIM, would be a good start. Don’t you think?
Vj ~ A good start for whom? To begin with, atheists do not believe there is a Creator and His answer will only raise the same question of another Creator and another. So where will it end?

Actually it is an excellent question which led me to the answer. Since there is no end there can be no beginning also, so it leads to the word ETERNAL. I figure that the since word exists in both our dictionaries it must have some useful meaning rather than it only applying to an id-i-ot asking the question for all ETERNITY.
So for then, I accept it as an absolute cause instead and moved on to strenuous study and practice to confirm it.

The absolute is the end of all philosophical discussions and only the wise are in possession of it. The feeble minds seem to have the time to fly back and forth with questions, but only a selected few have the desire to make the effort through continuous study and practice to make it (truth) a reality.
I too, at one time was asking for evidence and now that I have found it, I find that it is only useful to me. Why? The mind in the feeble state is too weak to grasp any of it. So I am not here to tell you what is the truth, I am here to tell how to get to the truth and the rest is up to you.
A hero should have been one who saves a soul but in today's world of dense ignorance a hero is deemed one who saves a life.

Re: God

It ends in a fact that the concept of first cause is a fallacy, because first cause needs a first cause as well. If a first cause can be self-subsisting, why can't the world we live be self-subsisting.

Re: God

It ends in a fact that the concept of first cause is a fallacy,....
Vj ~ It is a fallacy in your opinion and your opinion is simply crap to me. As I said before, there is no short cut in arriving at the truth, you will have to go the distance as the I did.

Re: God

And then, coming to a word that exists in many dictionaries, GHOST exists in almost in every dictionary, but never to be found anywhere else apart from lexicons.

Re: God

Atheist
And then, coming to a word that exists in many dictionaries, GHOST exists in almost in every dictionary, but never to be found anywhere else apart from lexicons.
There is still a connection to the word "GHOST" - to you and I ghosts do not exist but for millions they do. Likewise, ETERNAL, just cannot be a word sitting idly by without anything applied to it.

Re: God

I must add that it is very unscientific and irrational to accept something and then work strenuously to find what you have already accepted, because that gives way to prejudice, where you work very hard only on those ideas that you find complementing your accepted views and rejecting those that oppose yours.

Re: God

Atheist
I must add that it is very unscientific and irrational to accept something and then work strenuously to find what you have already accepted, because that gives way to prejudice, where you work very hard only on those ideas that you find complementing your accepted views and rejecting those that oppose yours.
Well, I had no choice it was either that, or remain a foolish atheist like you "complementing your accepted views" of evolution "and rejecting those that oppose yours". My ideas are in harmony with reasoning & science, and inconformity with natural laws. If you claim to be the impartial one, then you must explain the functions of these laws.

Re: God

And, in response to your "foolish atheist" remark, atheists just do not connect to every word they know,....

Re: God

Atheist
And, in response to your "foolish atheist" remark, atheists just do not connect to every word they know,....
If they could, they would not be foolish to begin with. In striving for wisdom everything must find connection. A discriminating intellect is that in which knowledge based only on words, real or correct knowledge and ordinary knowledge based on sense perception or reasoning are present in a mixed state and the mind alternates between them.