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A discriminating intellect is that in which knowledge based only on words, real knowledge and ordinary knowledge based on sense perception or reasoning are present in a mixed state and the mind alternates between them.

"When the time of destruction is at hand the intellect becomes perverted." Vridha Chan. 16:17.
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Five Tests of true religion - Feb 08, 2002
  1. It (revelation) must exist in its entirety from the very beginning of creation for all of mankind, and not over a long period of time after.
    Oppose - It is unjust of Yahwe, Allah and Christ, to deprive millions born before the revelation of the Ten Commandments, the Q'uran, and the New Testament of His 'divine wisdom'. An injustice which cannot be the work of a Just, Compassionate and Merciful God.
  2. It must conform with (immutable) Natural laws
  3. Oppose - The cause of the physical body is the reproductive element - any other method as man was created from dust or blood-clot and all other miracles of God and Prophets are a breach to this law.
  4. It must be in harmony with reasoning.
    Oppose - Incest which results in mental and physical infirmities, is an immoral action and it had to be the same also in the beginning (creation of one man and one woman).
  5. It must be in harmony with science.
    Oppose - Modern science has proven creation to be more than 6,000 years old, the earth is spherical and it rotates and revolves, contradictions to the Torah, Bible and Q'uran.
  6. Its truth must be confirmed by four evidences :-
  • Direct Cognition - Not all that is known by perception can be true.
  • Inferences - God is eternal therefore we can infer that there were past creations and as well as there will be future ones.
  • Testimony - The testimonies of Rishis, sages and seers of the Vedas (altruistic teachers are all in harmony with each other.
  • History - There are many books (Mahabharata, Valmiki's Ramayan) and source of other civilization which speak of the past ancient Vedic (Aryas) civilization of 5,000 years ago and earlier.

Let's be reasonable when it comes the most abstruse science of God (wisdom), the ignorant (by repenting) and the wise (by austerity) can never reap the same rewards.


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Re: Vedic philosophy

but I do know how to refute core Vedic concepts.
Vj ~ Maybe you think you can, but that is not good enough.
First you've to know who a Maharishi is, until then you just as ignorant as the person next to you.
It took me 20 years, so good luck my friend.

No religion has a better philosophical conception of God than Christianity.

Vj ~ And yet you don't know what the Christian God was doing before this creation.

Re: Vedic philosophy

"Maybe you think you can" - I can. Go on. Let's discuss the very core tenets of Hinduism. It's all unified by monism, reincarnation, maya, universal cycles, karma and religious pluralism. These concepts permeate Hinduism and it doesn't matter if it's Shaktism or Vaishavism or Shaivism. And, I don't know who this guru is... But so long as he subscribed to some variety of Hinduism, then he was wrong. Hinduism itself has a wrong, self-refuting foundation. If the foundation (reincarnation, maya, universal cycles, karma, religious pluralism, etc) is wrong, then nothing people try to do with it can make it right. It does not matter what kind of house you build if it's built on sand, after all. You cannot make a lie into an objective truth no matter what you do.


"You don't know what God was doing before creation" - from my perspective, it does not matter. God simply was. That's all I know and, to me, speculations on that sort of thing are as baseless as they are useless. We cannot observe what was before anymore then we can change the past. But what I know that God created man to be his companion and He did so out of love. This creation is also the one and only - time and the universe have a definite start and will have a definite end when God decrees so. The belief that there was any creation before creation is just that - a belief. It's unsupported by anything concrete.

Re: Vedic philosophy

Let's discuss the very core tenets of Hinduism.
Vj ~ Is this how stupid you are? Who says I am Hindu?

And, I don't know who this guru is...
Vj ~ Well, there is where it starts if you're after the truth. If not, you can go scratch your ass somewhere else.

"You don't know what God was doing before creation" - from my perspective, it does not matter... But what I know that God created man to be his companion and He did so out of love.
Vj ~ Your perspective is stupidity, it does matter. Why then the need for companionship now and not before?

The belief that there was any creation before creation is just that - a belief. It's unsupported by anything concrete.
Vj ~ We're not building a house here. It simply logic which is applied to philosophy. What would be his purpose as one without beginning?

Re: Vedic philosophy

"Who says that I am a Hindu" - your callsign is as Hindu as it gets, even if it's written in Latin script rather then Devanagari. And the whole brouhaha with Vedic philosophy and concepts? Most of those are unique to Hinduism and all of it's little sub-religions like Buddhism and Jainism. Or are you just a hippie Westerner who digs into bits and pieces of ancient paganism and whose religion is an "interfaith smoothie"?

"Go scratch your ass somewhere else" - this guru sure didn't teach you politeness. Or actual respectful discussion. And, didn't you hear? If your source of wisdom is singular, then your wisdom will grow stale. Not that wisdom is apparent within your posts.

"Your perspective is stupidity" - less then yours is. And who can fully comprehend God in reality? You? Your guru? No man can do that. Wasn't there an episode in Mahadbharata where Krishna shown Arjuna some of his forms and Arjuna, unable to fully comprehend what he was seeing, begged him to stop? It's part of why we have faith and our Christian theology is negative - i.e. we know for sure what God is not rather then what He actually is. Because God is not a phenomenon to be studied, catalogued or harnessed by lesser beings.

"It is simply logic" - speculation is what it is and useless speculation at that. But there is no need for speculation if there answers in the Scripture and dogma. God is so full of goodness and grace that it is in His nature to share it; God created man to love Him and each other - and a perfect world for man to live in. But love can only be chosen and so free will had to be given to man. Free will also includes the choice to reject love or God and mankind chose that, with sin then corrupting creation and man's own divine grace.

Re: Vedic philosophy

your callsign is as Hindu as it gets
Vj ~ Your callsign is stupidity, should we go one? Hinduism is the oldest religion in the world. It doesn't mean it is true, but clearly says, it is India that gave the world the concept of God.

this guru sure didn't teach you politeness.
Vj ~ It is the truth that offends, so put up with it or move on.

No man can do that.
Vj ~ They are called the WISE.

God is so full of goodness and grace that it is in His nature to share it;+
Vj ~ As I said before, if you don't know what your God was doing before this creation, He is not God and you are an idiot.