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The one true religion

A discriminating intellect is that in which knowledge based only on words, real knowledge and ordinary knowledge based on sense perception or reasoning are present in a mixed state and the mind alternates between them.

"When the time of destruction is at hand the intellect becomes perverted." Vridha Chan. 16:17.
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Five Tests of true religion - Feb 08, 2002
  1. It (revelation) must exist in its entirety from the very beginning of creation for all of mankind, and not over a long period of time after.
    Oppose - It is unjust of Yahwe, Allah and Christ, to deprive millions born before the revelation of the Ten Commandments, the Q'uran, and the New Testament of His 'divine wisdom'. An injustice which cannot be the work of a Just, Compassionate and Merciful God.
  2. It must conform with (immutable) Natural laws
  3. Oppose - The cause of the physical body is the reproductive element - any other method as man was created from dust or blood-clot and all other miracles of God and Prophets are a breach to this law.
  4. It must be in harmony with reasoning.
    Oppose - Incest which results in mental and physical infirmities, is an immoral action and it had to be the same also in the beginning (creation of one man and one woman).
  5. It must be in harmony with science.
    Oppose - Modern science has proven creation to be more than 6,000 years old, the earth is spherical and it rotates and revolves, contradictions to the Torah, Bible and Q'uran.
  6. Its truth must be confirmed by four evidences :-
  • Direct Cognition - Not all that is known by perception can be true.
  • Inferences - God is eternal therefore we can infer that there were past creations and as well as there will be future ones.
  • Testimony - The testimonies of Rishis, sages and seers of the Vedas (altruistic teachers are all in harmony with each other.
  • History - There are many books (Mahabharata, Valmiki's Ramayan) and source of other civilization which speak of the past ancient Vedic (Aryas) civilization of 5,000 years ago and earlier.

Let's be reasonable when it comes the most abstruse science of God (wisdom), the ignorant (by repenting) and the wise (by austerity) can never reap the same rewards.


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Richard Dawkins
@RichardDawkins
Oct 11
The Center for Inquiry’s presentation of their Richard Dawkins Award to
@TimMinchin
went well yesterday. The Sheldonian Theatre was completely sold out. Tim came across as the delightful person he is, and was a very effective chairman.

Vijai Singh
@vjsn Oct 11
"I‘m convinced that everything has come down to us from the banks of the Ganges, astronomy, astrology, metempsychosis, etc. It doesn’t behoove us, who were only savages and barbarians when these Indian people were civilized & learned, to dispute their antiquity." Voltaire

That One Red Snifit from Super Mario Bros. 2
@XeMurder Oct 11
Dawkins is never going to acknowledge you, Vijai.

Vijai Singh
@vjsn Oct 11
You're doing a better job than he is. His ego is too far up there to ever humble himself to respond.
You'd think a scientific mind would be curious in knowing what Einstein meant by "science without religion is lame...."

That One Red Snifit from Super Mario Bros. 2
@XeMurder Oct 11
No, the problem is your content is just vacuous nonaense.
You don't even understand what Einstein meant.

TheGriffin
@thegriffin666 Oct 11
Yes, and he dishonestly misconstues what Volatire's quote means. Voltaire was not endorsing Hinduism or religion, but attacking the idiocy of Christianity which had attacked science more than Hinduism had.

Vijai Singh
@vjsn Oct 13
"Science without religion is lame..." Einstein, and it's not Hinduism.
"We owe a lot to Indians, who taught us how to count, without which no worthwhile scientific discovery could have been made." Albert Einstein

That One Red Snifit from Super Mario Bros. 2
@XeMurder Oct 13
Stop misquoting people.
You're pathetic. You have nothing, no evidence to back your claims, and not even a functional argument.

Vijai Singh
@vjsn Oct 13
Here is my evidence!
Which one are you?
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." Bertrand Russell

TheGriffin
@thegriffin666 Oct 13
The only thing that is evidence of is that you're an idiot who misunderstands every single thing you quote.

Vijai Singh
@vjsn Oct 13
So which one are you, cocksure or full of doubt?

TheGriffin
@thegriffin666 Oct 13
It's a false dichotomy, but I am far more doubtful than cocksure. Being doubtful is the foundation of open-mindedness and willing to follow the evidence b/c you are not sure a priori. Doubt is the engine of all progress (moral and intellectual).

TheGriffin
@thegriffin666 Oct 13
BTW, this was also Russell's view. He promoted doubt and was an atheist b/c that is the inherent state of anyone who reasons from a starting point of doubt, since there is no evidence for god capable of surmounting doubt.

Theism is the state only possible by close-minded refusal to consider alternatives and no need for evidence b/c one has reached an answer prior to ever honestly considering the question.

Vijai Singh
@vjsn Oct 14
The truth of theism can only be known through desire which leads to comparative studies of all religions and not just a few.
So I suggest you get off your ass and do what Einstein did if you really want to know.

@thegriffin666
The "truth" of theism is it is used as a tool to control the masses, and/or a safety blanket for the ignorant.
That's it. People sticking a god into the gaps in their knowledge, or controlling others with threats of ****ation.

Vijai Singh
Replying to
@XeMurder

@thegriffin666
and 3 others
Your quarrel is with Einstein.
"Science without religion is lame, and religion without science is blind.”

That One Red Snifit from Super Mario Bros. 2
@XeMurder
No, it's with you. Stop hiding behind your misquotes.

Vijai Singh
@vjsn
It's you without a name who is hiding my friend. I understand, you don't want your countrymen to know how stupid are.


TheGriffin
@thegriffin666
Oct 13
BTW, this was also Russell's view. He promoted doubt and was an atheist b/c that is the inherent state of anyone who reasons from a starting point of doubt, since there is no evidence for god capable of surmounting doubt.

Vijai Singh
@vjsn
Oct 14
So why no interest in a philosophy that removes doubt and promotes wisdom?
"Science without religion is lame..." Einstein

That One Red Snifit from Super Mario Bros. 2
@XeMurder Oct 14
I'd ask you the same question.
Nothing you say ever changes, and your statements are just pseudointellectual nonsense.

Vijai Singh
@vjsn Oct 14
So where is your philosophy, dumb ass?
If it changes it is not the truth.
"Truth is one, the same for all in all ages, past, present, and future."

That One Red Snifit from Super Mario Bros. 2
@XeMurder 23h
I'm a scientist, I don't care for philosophical ramblings.
You are yet to make a single factually correct statement. You are just a cloud of lies, self-righteousness, and but