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The one true religion

A discriminating intellect is that in which knowledge based only on words, real knowledge and ordinary knowledge based on sense perception or reasoning are present in a mixed state and the mind alternates between them.

"When the time of destruction is at hand the intellect becomes perverted." Vridha Chan. 16:17.
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Five Tests of true religion - Feb 08, 2002
  1. It (revelation) must exist in its entirety from the very beginning of creation for all of mankind, and not over a long period of time after.
    Oppose - It is unjust of Yahwe, Allah and Christ, to deprive millions born before the revelation of the Ten Commandments, the Q'uran, and the New Testament of His 'divine wisdom'. An injustice which cannot be the work of a Just, Compassionate and Merciful God.
  2. It must conform with (immutable) Natural laws
  3. Oppose - The cause of the physical body is the reproductive element - any other method as man was created from dust or blood-clot and all other miracles of God and Prophets are a breach to this law.
  4. It must be in harmony with reasoning.
    Oppose - Incest which results in mental and physical infirmities, is an immoral action and it had to be the same also in the beginning (creation of one man and one woman).
  5. It must be in harmony with science.
    Oppose - Modern science has proven creation to be more than 6,000 years old, the earth is spherical and it rotates and revolves, contradictions to the Torah, Bible and Q'uran.
  6. Its truth must be confirmed by four evidences :-
  • Direct Cognition - Not all that is known by perception can be true.
  • Inferences - God is eternal therefore we can infer that there were past creations and as well as there will be future ones.
  • Testimony - The testimonies of Rishis, sages and seers of the Vedas (altruistic teachers are all in harmony with each other.
  • History - There are many books (Mahabharata, Valmiki's Ramayan) and source of other civilization which speak of the past ancient Vedic (Aryas) civilization of 5,000 years ago and earlier.

Let's be reasonable when it comes the most abstruse science of God (wisdom), the ignorant (by repenting) and the wise (by austerity) can never reap the same rewards.

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Facing extinction

Some say that we are in the midst of the 6th great extinction on Earth? Is this true? Join us as we explore the nature of extinction, from biology, and the great past extinctions, to culture, language, technology and the future of both our species and the Earth's biosphere, and ask whether, and to what extent extinction required for progress, and what we can do to preserve existing biodiversity on our planet.

Re: Facing extinction

"If there should be a conference among the most imaginative minds they will agree that almost all institutions of learning are only nurseries of prejudice, corruption, barbarism, and pedantry." Anon

So far they are all in these categories.
"Science without religion is lame........" Albert Einstein

But if these scientists can explain what Einstein meant here, they would definitely stand a better chance of preventing extinction.

Re: Facing extinction

The whole quote puts a different spin on this: “Though religion may be that which determines the goal, it has, nevertheless, learned from science, in the broadest sense, what means will contribute to the attainment of the goals it has set up.
But science can only be created by those who are thoroughly imbued with the aspiration toward truth and understanding. This source of feeling, however, springs from the sphere of religion.
To this there also belongs the faith in the possibility that the regulations valid for the world of existence are rational, that is, comprehensible to reason. I cannot conceive of a genuine scientist without that profound faith. The situation may be expressed by an image: science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.”

Re: Facing extinction

But then the question of natural laws, by which all theories (scientific and theological) must be validated, arises.

"But there is another prejudice which is cherished by many scholars evidently under the impression of its being a well-recognized scientific doctrine. It is that in the ruder stages of civilization when the laws of nature are little known and but little understood when mankind has not enough of the experience of the world, strict methods of correct reasoning are very seldom observed." Swami Dayanand

Albert Einstein agrees - "We see the universe marvelously arranged and obeying certain laws but only dimly understand these laws." Scholars of theology, except the Aryas, have no understanding at all and for those of science, it is dim.

Re: Facing extinction

and what does nay of that contribute to anything. How does that advance your argument.

Re: Facing extinction

Well surely, you should know science doesn't have all the answers and if you're happy with that, fine! I'm not! Furthermore, the universe is governed by the laws of nature and it is imperative that we understand the functions of these laws so that whatever scientific or theological theories are advanced we can easily determine their validity.

Re: Facing extinction

Science doesn’t have all the answers, that’s literally the point of science. Only religion claims to have all the answers and no need to seek more.

Re: Facing extinction

Science doesn’t have all the answers, that’s literally the point of science. Only religion claims to have all the answers and no need to seek more.
It's not a completely ignorant world as you may think. Someone must know the whole truth and I went in search of the one and I found there is one true philosophy in harmony with reasoning, science and in conformity with the laws of nature.

"We owe a lot to Indians, who taught us how to count, without which no worthwhile scientific discovery could have been made." Albert Einstein

We know the origin of matter, the universe, language, civilization, etc.