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A discriminating intellect is that in which knowledge based only on words, real knowledge and ordinary knowledge based on sense perception or reasoning are present in a mixed state and the mind alternates between them.

"When the time of destruction is at hand the intellect becomes perverted." Vridha Chan. 16:17.
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Five Tests of true religion - Feb 08, 2002
  1. It (revelation) must exist in its entirety from the very beginning of creation for all of mankind, and not over a long period of time after.
    Oppose - It is unjust of Yahwe, Allah and Christ, to deprive millions born before the revelation of the Ten Commandments, the Q'uran, and the New Testament of His 'divine wisdom'. An injustice which cannot be the work of a Just, Compassionate and Merciful God.
  2. It must conform with (immutable) Natural laws
  3. Oppose - The cause of the physical body is the reproductive element - any other method as man was created from dust or blood-clot and all other miracles of God and Prophets are a breach to this law.
  4. It must be in harmony with reasoning.
    Oppose - Incest which results in mental and physical infirmities, is an immoral action and it had to be the same also in the beginning (creation of one man and one woman).
  5. It must be in harmony with science.
    Oppose - Modern science has proven creation to be more than 6,000 years old, the earth is spherical and it rotates and revolves, contradictions to the Torah, Bible and Q'uran.
  6. Its truth must be confirmed by four evidences :-
  • Direct Cognition - Not all that is known by perception can be true.
  • Inferences - God is eternal therefore we can infer that there were past creations and as well as there will be future ones.
  • Testimony - The testimonies of Rishis, sages and seers of the Vedas (altruistic teachers are all in harmony with each other.
  • History - There are many books (Mahabharata, Valmiki's Ramayan) and source of other civilization which speak of the past ancient Vedic (Aryas) civilization of 5,000 years ago and earlier.

Let's be reasonable when it comes the most abstruse science of God (wisdom), the ignorant (by repenting) and the wise (by austerity) can never reap the same rewards.


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all men must follow the Truth

For over a thousand years the Aryan conquerors have been reciting their songs or hymns of so-called divine knowledge; these are known as the vedas. The language of the vedas is very old and not at all like the modern dialects. Presumably it is the same Aryan speech that the original Persians spoke, and many of the narratives resemble those stories old men still recite in the marketplace.

Yes. The vedas are very old; but God was fresher when He wrote the Qur'an.

"The truth is not for all men, but only for those who seek it." Ayn Rand

For over a thousand years the Aryan conquerors have been reciting their songs or hymns of so-called divine knowledge; these are known as the vedas.
Vj ~ Aryas weren't conquerors, they were the original inhabitants of ancient India (Aryavarta), earth's first civilization. All races and cultures evolved from this land.

Yes. The vedas are very old; but God was fresher when He wrote the Qur'an.
Vj ~ The God of the Vedas is always eternally the freshest because truth is one, the same for all in all ages, past, present and the future. He is All-perfect, All-wise and All-powerful which means He doesn't have to repeat himself.

A God (Allah) that instruct men to have many wives and as young as nine years old, stinks.

Re: "The truth is not for all men, but only for those who seek it." Ayn Rand

What was this God doing before this creation?

Easy: Allah has many creations, trillions of worlds before this world, and will create many after this world.

Re: "The truth is not for all men, but only for those who seek it." Ayn Rand

"Allah has many creations..."
AM1, proof?

Re: "The truth is not for all men, but only for those who seek it." Ayn Rand

What was this God doing before this creation?

1. Answer: Allah has many creations, trillions of worlds before this world, and will create many after this world. See Islam Hadith (Arabic and Persian).

2. Truth: The Qur'an, Bible, and Vedas all talk about Mohammad (pbuh). This information is based on the researches done by Dr. Zakir Naik, scholar in comparing religions.

Re: "The truth is not for all men, but only for those who seek it." Ayn Rand

and Vedas all talk about Mohammad (pbuh).
Vj ~ Yep they talked about Muhammad being an illiterate, an epileptic, a pedophile, a polygamist, an adulterer, a liar, a murderer, etc.

Read the Qur'an

Read the Qur'an

Concerning Polygamy in Qur’an, Qur’an is the only religious book on the face of this Earth that says "marry only one", There is no other religious book that instructs men to have only one wife, And none of the religious scriptures like the Vedas, The Ramayan, The Mahabharat, The Geeta set a restriction on the number of wives, According to all these scriptures, A man can marry as many as he wishes.

Hindus are more polygamous than Muslims, The report of the "Committee of The Status of Woman in Islam", Mentions that the percentage of polygamous marriages in the mid fifties was 5, 06 percent among the Hindus and only 4, 31 percent among the Muslims.

Qur’an and the Vedas and even grand sahib are talking about the last prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

So I"m not only reading what is written in Qur’an, But what is written in all major holy books.

Re: Read the Qur'an

Qur’an is the only religious book on the face of this Earth that says "marry only one",
Vj ~ Too bad, if Muhammad, who had 9 wives, weren't an illiterate he would have known that.

So I"m not only reading what is written in Qur’an, But what is written in all major holy books
Vj ~ It is reasoning, not reading, that makes a man intelligent.

"The greatest torture in the world for most people is to think." Luther Burbank.