ok pre grad listen up im only going to say this once CHILL OUT it doesnt matter what either of us think this guy has an honest question. as a philosopher you should realize that sometimes we have to put our own opinions aside and honestly listen to one argument i.e. gestalt. any true philosopher is able to play devils advocate. remember that we as philosophers are held to a different set of values as "society" and one of them is all are welcome and the question is the only truth. im sure you are used to the neo-philosophers whiny struggle with fitting in i.e. high school sociology. but you do not need to worry so much about prestige or looking more intelligent than anyone else here. these are simple games of the masses, we as philosophers have no ego to hinder and care not for the trappings of power. so chill out

p.s. numbers are not real angles are not real proofs and physics not real. if so prove them show me a number that is not man made a proof beyond the making of man we are man therefore fallible

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