WARNING: If you possess one gram of human decency, these articles WILL disturb you.

The first article describes the slaughter of chickens in the US. The second describes the dairy industry in America’s multi-billion dollar trading partner, Canada. Veal is the meat of baby cows whose muscle movements are limited so the meat will remain tender for the good people to enjoy. Note that the conditions and fate of animals in other countries and not better; they are much worse in some countries.


Not only are billions of chickens slaughtered each year, but the last hours of most chickens’ lives are absolute misery, fear and torture. Currently, most farmed chickens are trucked to a slaughterhouse, where they are dumped on a conveyor belt which transports them to a room where they are hung upside down on a line of shackles—a disorienting and stressful experience. The struggling birds are then transported to a stunning area, where they are meant to be submerged in an electrically charged bath of water, the aim of which is to render them unconscious. Unfortunately, some are not shocked due to variables between individual birds—such as different weights or leg sizes—or because some frightened birds flap their wings or lift their head, thus avoiding the stun bath. These unfortunate birds are fully conscious when the shackle line brings them to an automated spinning blade, the purpose of which is to slice open their throats.

In 2002, an estimated 8,716,099,000 chickens were slaughtered in the U.S. Of those birds, up to 175 million avoided the stun bath and were completely conscious when their throats were slit—roughly two percent. Each year, an estimated 3.7 million or more birds manage to avoid BOTH the electrically charged stun bath and the automated spinning blade. Such is the will to live.

A tank of scalding water is the next destination after the automated spinning blade. The scald tank’s purpose is to make feather removal easier. The 3.7 million birds who avoid the stun bath and the automated spinning blade cannot avoid the scald tank; they are either drowned or scalded to death.

[In the UK: Inadequate stunning and neck-cutting means many chickens are still alive when entering the scalding tank. One study found nearly 25% of birds still not dead on entering the scalding tank.]

Guru - I was shocked to learn the rennet is used to make cheese. This type of information is catapulting me ever so close to a vegan lifestyle. Please don't hate me if you lose any sleep after reading these articles.

DAIRY COWS - Canada

People who regard milk as "the perfect food" rarely think about milk as a commercial product – prone to the hazards of mass-production. John Robbins, author of MAY ALL BE FED, puts it well; "The modern-day Bessie [milk cow] is now bred, fed, medicated, inseminated, and manipulated for a single purpose – maximum milk production at a minimum cost."

While sometimes permitted to range in open pasture, dairy cows still spend most of their lives chained by the neck in milk stalls, reduced to lethargic milking machines. Even Ottawa's Experimental Farm, known for relatively "humane" standards, says its dairy cows are chained by the neck 23 hours a day during winter months.

In order to produce milk, a dairy cow must give birth. To maximize their milk supply they are artificially inseminated every year, meaning they are pregnant for a physically demanding 9 months out of every 12. Their calves are traumatically taken from them shortly after birth. The resulting surplus of calves feeds the veal industry.

With genetic manipulation and intensive production technologies, Canadian cows produce an average of 9,519 kg of milk per year 7a — seven times more than they would produce naturally. When their milk production wanes after about four years, dairy cows are sent to slaughter where their worn out bodies are ground up into hamburger.

These unnatural conditions make the modern dairy cow highly prone to stress and disease.

Veal calves

Dairy cows must produce offspring every year to keep their milk supply flowing. The result is large surplus of calves. According the Ontario Farm Animal Council, "Veal farming has made it possible to turn by-products of the dairy industry into a positive contribution to our food chain." 7b Unfortunately that comes at the expense of the animals involved. Male veal calves are sold to the veal industry and raised in dark sheds. Motherless and alone, they may suffer from anemia, diarrhea, pneumonia, and lameness and see the light of day only on their way to slaughter. Female calves are added to the dairy herd or are slaughtered for the rennet in their stomachs (used to make cheese).

Many calves are isolated in stalls, a practice described by Agriculture Canada as "thought to have a negative effect on animal well-being" in the form of restricted movement and lack of outlet for natural behaviour. As well, "anemia can affect special-fed veal calves during all stages of growth," which is caused by iron reduction to make their flesh pale.

There are approximately 500 – 700 veal farms in Ontario worth about $450 million.


“Before you speak, as yourself: is it kind, is it necessary, is it true, does it improve the silence?”

Namaste.

Dear Guru,
It is good to point out the misgivings of this world, but it is even more wrong to do so in the state of ignorance.
Save your own soul before the world, it is the only way you can die a happy man.
Namaste,

I would like to share the following article with readers of this forum. . .

Back to the Basics

In this country (USA), we often hear the phrase, “Take Care.” Unfortunately, this is usually just another empty ‘good-bye.’ Until we say ‘good-bye’ to our violence we will continue to live careless lives. Until we become more selective of the food we eat, the thoughts we hold, and the company we keep, we will never have good health, peace of mind, and a healing spirit (good vibration).

Some people take better care of their pets than they do their children. They are more kind to their dog or cat than they are to their husband or wife. They save the whales and cry for the seals but kill the cows and eat veal without any shame.

People campaign for world peace but have not made peace with themselves. People convert others to their religion without converting their own noble intentions into good actions. In fact, often people’s intentions are not really noble, because most people are brainwashed to believe that what is false is true, what is harmful is helpful, and what is unreal is real.

We need to go back to the basics. Krinvanto Swayam Aryam. We need to make ourselves noble by removing that which is ignoble within ourselves. Only then have we taken the first step in making the whole world noble (Krinvanto Vishvam Aryam).

People are inclined to maim and kill human beings because they have had lots of practice killing and eating animals, birds, and other creatures. Human beings have lost touch with their own humanity. They have forgotten their Real Nature.

The Isha Upanishad tells us: Om Asuryaa Naama Te Lokaa Andhena Tamasaa Vritaaha. Taamste Pretyaabhigacchanti Ye Ke Caatmahano Janaaha. This mantra is saying that people who act contrary to their real nature (who do not act as Wise men and women), remain stuck in their negativity and are suffocated by their own dense ignorance. People who deliberately ignore their conscience are murdering their own soul (consciousness).

When people cause injury to other living beings for their pleasure or due to carelessness, they are acting ignorantly and are inflicting pain on themselves without realizing it. Eventually they cannot stand to suffer anymore and look for ways to end their pain and suffering. The answers lie within but as long as we keep lying to ourselves we never look within. We are lying to ourselves when we blame our problems on things outside of ourselves.

Religion is NOT the answer. The answer is found in Truth, and Truth is found in truthfulness. There is ‘something’ absolutely pure and good within every man, woman, and child on this planet Earth. That ‘something’ is our Essence which is the very basis of our being. If we stick to the basic truths (and the most basic one of all is Non-Violence), then our Self-knowledge (the knowledge of our Essence) will grow in our mind. If the mind is guided with divine wisdom, that knowledge will grow rapidly. When that knowledge (of the Self) is applied, our problems go away.

The mind which is NOT purified with wisdom will eventually putrefy, and its ugliness will create hell on earth. This is the problem in the world today. Ignorance prevails because people are ignoring the basics. The cry for “Back to the Vedas” is a noble one, but the more important need of the day is ‘Back to the Basics.’

Arya Putra
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I like LA’s exposition of man’s lies. It can help awaken people from their dense ignorance.

As the Vedas tell us, “Let noble thoughts come from all the corners of the Earth,” and let us attack Ignorance from every angle.

When a sensible human being realizes the violence they themselves are perpetrating and perpetuating, their own mind taunts them to change. They begin to revolt against their own violence, and in so doing they come closer to their Higher Nature (their Real Self). When people give up their selfishness by changing their vile habits, they are doing solid ‘spiritual’ work because they are stripping away their gross material nature and becoming more aware of their Essence.

SinghJi's site is important to jolt the religious fanatics, as well as those who are bound by the rusty chains of orthodoxy, to take a deeper look at the doctrines which they hold so dear. But these things LA is sharing may also shock the ignorant to action.

Namaste

VJ - It is good to point out the misgivings of this world, but it is even more wrong to do so in the state of ignorance. Save your own soul before the world, it is the only way you can die a happy man.

Guru – Dear learned one. Thanks for your kind advice.

I am sorry the articles did not “disturb” you.

Namaste

Guru – Activists protest the murder of whales, seals, minks, etc, by presenting visual or graphic descriptions of the murder of animals, and the majority are vegans. They have even bombed stores that sell furs. A kid had mentioned the procedure used for slaughtering chickens. I did not believe her but after some research i discovered I was wrong, and decided to share my findings with anyone who just as ignorant as me.

Customers pick up a meat package of meat in the grocery stores, and never bother about the carnage behind that piece of meat. Most folks watch a cheetah or lion chase a deer, and they hope the deer will escape but won’t hesitate to grab a rifle and go hunting. You are correct, there is some hypocrisy.

You could argue why the same activists don’t try to save the cows or chickens. They do, but the cattle and chicken industries have a lot of clout with the politicians in the US. Oprah Winfrey just causually mentioned something about being afraid to put a piece of beef in her mouth, and the cattle farmers in a redneck state sued her, and she was forced to appear in court in that state.

It is fair to say that vegans demonstrate more love and compassion for animals than traditional vedic followers. It is not easy to balance nutritional requirements and abstinence from all animal products.

Namaste

LA Guru – Activists protest the murder of whales, seals, minks, etc, by presenting visual or graphic descriptions of the murder of animals, and the majority are vegans. They have even bombed stores that sell furs.

AP- These activists are well-intentioned but their efforts are not ‘well-rounded.’ In other words, it is NOT enough to only decry the slaughter of animals, we also need to recognize how we are slaughtering ourselves by embracing promiscuity, promoting sodomy, perpetrating the victim-mentality, catering to false feelings and staying stuck in our shallow personality.

Anyone who bombs a store that sells furs is a victim of their own delusion which arises out of mental confusion. Such a person is confused about the difference between right and wrong. This confusion would not exist if people studied wisdom under the guidance of those who are wise. Unfortunately, not many people are inclined to do so.

I am a vegan because I cannot accept the cruel treatment accorded to cows in the dairy industry. For the same reason, I avoid the use of leather products because they are the byproduct of the slaughterhouses. (The leather industry in India is known to be one of the most notorious.) Seldom is a pair of sandals made from a cow or bull that died of natural causes.


LA Guru: A kid had mentioned the procedure used for slaughtering chickens. I did not believe her but after some research i discovered I was wrong, and decided to share my findings with anyone who just as ignorant as me.

AP- Similarly,Vj has been sharing his ‘findings’ about religion (the true and the false) with those who are ignorant of it. His motive, like yours, is a noble one.

LA Guru: It is fair to say that vegans demonstrate more love and compassion for animals than traditional vedic followers. It is not easy to balance nutritional requirements and abstinence from all animal products.

AP- ‘Truly’ traditional followers of the Vedas are all-inclusive in their practice of ‘goodness.’ Everything that they do is a mode of Yajna and they do not get stuck in any image. For example, even though there are so many references to the use of milk in the scriptures, they will not hesitate to modify their practices in the light of present circumstances and eliminate milk from their diet (if need be). On the other hand, people who call themselves traditionalists but are stuck in their ego and images, are only chained to the rusty chains of orthodoxy and do not grasp the essence of the Vedas.

It may not be easy to balance nutritional requirements and abstinence from all animal products, but it is certainly doable. I think you will find information about this on the Internet. My son is also a vegan (and a weight lifter) and is knowledgeable about these things. I can inquire from him and pass any useful information on to you, if you like.

Namaste

Guru – Dear learned one. Thanks for your kind advice.
Vj ~ You are most welcome.

I am sorry the articles did not “disturb” you.
Vj ~ If it did, it would have meant I am in the same ignorant state as you are.

Namaste

AP - .. we also need to recognize how we are slaughtering ourselves by embracing promiscuity, promoting sodomy, perpetrating the victim-mentality, catering to false feelings and staying stuck in our shallow personality.

Guru – AP, it sounds like you’ve been hanging around VJ too much :-) Personally, I am against all of these vices but it is a price we pay to live in a free society. It is due to a breakdown in family, school, and societal values. We can start by first reforming ourselves, family, community, etc., etc. We can’t (and will not) stop these behaviors by legislating morality or become roving idiots like the Talibans and moral police in the Arab world.

AP - Anyone who bombs a store that sells furs is a victim of their own delusion which arises out of mental confusion. Such a person is confused about the difference between right and wrong.

Guru – I never get involved in these activities but it does get people’s attention. Thousands of animals lost their lives so Miss Uppity can walk into one of these stores and cover her wrinkles. My favorite poster is: IT TAKES 40 DUMB ANIMALS TO MAKE A FUR COAT, AND ONE TO WEAR IT.


AP- Similarly,Vj has been sharing his ‘findings’ about religion (the true and the false) with those who are ignorant of it. His motive, like yours, is a noble one.

Guru - Don’t let VJ hear you use “noble” and my name in the same sentence.

AP- ...For example, even though there are so many references to the use of milk in the scriptures, they will not hesitate to modify their practices in the light of present circumstances and eliminate milk from their diet (if need be). On the other hand, people who call themselves traditionalists but are stuck in their ego and images, are only chained to the rusty chains of orthodoxy and do not grasp the essence of the Vedas.

Guru – Well said AP! Contraction is death. Expansion is life. A system, or individual has to be dynamic to be of any relevance to civilized societies.

As our good friend Tagore wrote in the Gitanjali:
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Where the clear stream of reason has not lost its way
Into the dreary desert sand of dead habit
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AP - My son is also a vegan (and a weight lifter) and is knowledgeable about these things. I can inquire from him and pass any useful information on to you, if you like.

Guru – And why aren’t you a weigh lifter? If it is not for medical reason then your excuse in not valid. I lift weights. I jog, practise hatha yoga, martial arts, and shadow boxing. I have been doing hatha since I was five, and I discovered that there is no need to follow the same rules as gurukul students or wandering yogis. I plan to exchange ideas on hatha yoga if VJ does not gather a posse and run me out of town or, I get tired of his disengaging behavior.

I used soy based protein powder (for a very short time, OK VJ) but I found out that soy powder contained phytoestrogens – a substance that leads to decrease in testosterone (male hormone) and an increase in estrogen (female hormone). I switched to whey powder but I have to find a substitute sinc I am moving away from all milk-based products. I would be grateful if you post recipes for protein rich food.

“Before you speak, as yourself: is it kind, is it necessary, is it true, does it improve the silence?”

Namaste.

Vj ~ If it did, it would have meant I am in the same ignorant state as you are.

Guru - And may your camel take you to a mirage so you can dive into the clear blue water.

Vj ~ If it did, it would have meant I am in the same ignorant state as you are.
Guru - And may your camel take you to a mirage so you can dive into the clear blue water.
Vj ~ As long as you refrained from perusing my site, you are the one seeing a mirage.
Think about it, how can any sensible person ever believe you care for anything in this world while showing utter neglect for your own soul?
Namaste,

Guru - Wouldn't it be nice to return and share all of that knowledge you have acquired in this life? When you return there will be more advanced technology and you will be able to disseminate your knowledge to a wider audience. I WILL be here when you return, and we will have Vir Dal camps where thousands will attend and learn the truth.

I appreciate your concern but I am not worried about my self (soul). My life had not been easy but I wouldn't trade my experiences for any other.

I have visited your site many times, and I was awakened by the facts I discovered there. I have not read everything or followed every link. I did not read the Satyarthprakash because I had a hard copy since childhood. I never knew the real history behind the taj mahal, or the issued raised by Frawley concerning the so-called Aryan invasion of the Indus valley. It is obvious we had been victims of Europeon (not a typo) propaganda who wrote His Story, and not history.

I even read parts of your book, and gathered that you were a punk and did not listen to your good parents.

Namaste.

Not in a hurry for moksha
Vj ~ That's my point, so why all the fuss about, the baby-seal and their clubbers and fur wearers? Perhaps they are not in a hurry for moksha either. Besides, it is only the few ready for moksha have the authority to scold the guilty of the world's evil.

When you return there will be more advanced technology and you will be able to disseminate your knowledge to a wider audience.
Vj ~ It is modern technology that is distracting mankind from the truth. So you can counting on it to be worst with "more advanced technology".

I appreciate your concern but I am not worried about my self (soul).
Vj ~ Well you've company, I am not worried about you either.

My life had not been easy but I wouldn't trade my experiences for any other.
Vj ~ Perhaps the same was said too, by those who are now begging for the right to die (euthanasia).

I have visited your site many times, and I was awakened by the facts I discovered there.
Vj ~ So why bother to show up here, if you weren't ready for moksha

I even read parts of your book, and gathered that you were a punk and did not listen to your good parents.
Vj ~ It is those who are not ready for moksha that will be more interested IN what I was rather than what I have become.

Namaste,

Guru - even read parts of your book, and gathered that you were a punk and did not listen to your good parents.
Vj ~ It is those who are not ready for moksha that will be more interested IN what I was rather than what I have become.

Guru – That’s the scary part: what you have become.

Guru – That’s the scary part: what you have become.
Vj ~ Now I can detect some honesty in you which is good. It is very true, the ignorant bonded to an ego will always fear the truth and those who propagate it.
Namaste,