WELCOME TO CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM



The power of perfect reasoning is essential to know.

The one true religion

A discriminating intellect is that in which knowledge based only on words, real knowledge and ordinary knowledge based on sense perception or reasoning are present in a mixed state and the mind alternates between them.
"When the time of destruction is at hand the intellect becomes perverted." Vridha Chan. 16:17.
Topic of discussion
Five Tests of true religion - Feb 08, 2002
  1. It (revelation) must exist in its entirety from the very beginning of creation for all of mankind, and not over a long period of time after.
    Oppose - It is unjust of Yahwe, Allah and Christ, to deprive millions born before the revelation of the Ten Commandments, the Q'uran, and the New Testament of His 'divine wisdom'. An injustice which cannot be the work of a Just, Compassionate and Merciful God.
  2. It must conform with (immutable) Natural laws
  3. Oppose - The cause of the physical body is the reproductive element - any other method as man was created from dust or blood-clot and all other miracles of God and Prophets are a breach to this law.
  4. It must be in harmony with reasoning.
    Oppose - Incest which results in mental and physical infirmities, is an immoral action and it had to be the same also in the beginning (creation of one man and one woman).
  5. It must be in harmony with science.
    Oppose - Modern science has proven creation to be more than 6,000 years old, the earth is spherical and it rotates and revolves, contradictions to the Torah, Bible and Q'uran.
  6. Its truth must be confirmed by four evidences :-
  • Direct Cognition - Not all that is known by perception can be true.
  • Inferences - God is eternal therefore we can infer that there were past creations and as well as there will be future ones.
  • Testimony - The testimonies of Rishis, sages and seers of the Vedas (altruistic teachers are all in harmony with each other.
  • History - There are many books (Mahabharata, Valmiki's Ramayan) and source of other civilization which speak of the past ancient Vedic (Aryas) civilization of 5,000 years ago and earlier.

Let's be reasonable when it comes the most abstruse science of God (wisdom), the ignorant (by repenting) and the wise (by austerity) can never reap the same rewards.

WARNING! Reader's discretion is advised - the truth offends!
Past dialogues debunking Religion
Other discussion boards:-  Can a fool, fool God?    Do all paths lead to God?   Debunking evolution
Guestbook
​​​​​​​
The one true religion
"No one is more hated than he who speaks the truth." Plato
​​​​​​​
Return to Website  > Index
Recent Posts
 
Welcome to constructive criticism
Start a New Topic 
Author
Comment
p
Paul
Apr 1, 2023 - 5:48AM
99.249.24.22
What evidence could be used to refute Darwin's theory?

What evidence could be used to refute Darwin's theory? What arguments challenge Darwin's theory?
Profile photo for Paul Lucas
Paul
Ph.D in Biochemistry
When Darwin proposed evolution by natural selection, there were many potential refutations to the theory. Darwin listed a few. For instance, in terms of natural selection:

"If it could be proved that any part of the structure of any one species had been formed for the exclusive good of another species, it would annihilate my theory, for such could not have been produced through natural selection." Origin, pg 501.

No such structure has ever been found. Creationists like to claim that mutualism falsifies it, but mutualism always has some good for each species. Only artificial selection by humans, i.e. seedless oranges or bananas, have produced a structure in one species that is for the exclusive benefit of another species (humans in this case).

v
Vijai Singh
Apr 1, 2023 - 6:10AM
99.249.24.22
Re: What evidence could be used to refute Darwin's theory?

What science is lacking is the understanding of the laws of nature. "We see the universe marvelously arranged and obeying certain laws but only dimly understand these laws." Albert Einstein

The theory of natural selection points to civilization as progression upwards and the laws of nature point to it as downwards. Here is my debate on Evolution Debunked

Email  
Apr 1st, 2023 - 6:10 AM
p
Paul
Apr 1, 2023 - 8:02AM
99.249.24.22
Re: What evidence could be used to refute Darwin's theory?

The theory of natural selection says nothing about “civilization as progression upwards”. Natural selection is an algorithm that produces design. Natural selection is the source of all the designs seen in living organisms.

Since you are so wrong about natural selection, there is no point I can see in reading your debate. That debate must be wrong because it is based on wrong premises. GIGO

v
Vijai Singh
Apr 1, 2023 - 8:08AM
99.249.24.22
Re: What evidence could be used to refute Darwin's theory?

Sticking to your “point” not knowing whether you’re wrong or right isn’t a very smart thing to do. May I remind you there are always two side to a story.

According to the science of evolution human civilization, which is also "design", started as savages living in caves, then there was the middle ages and now presumably the age of science and technology. This to me is progression upwards. Isn’t that what it is?

Email  
Apr 1st, 2023 - 8:08 AM
p
Paul
Apr 1, 2023 - 9:08AM
99.249.24.22
Re: What evidence could be used to refute Darwin's theory?

No, there are not always “two sides to a story”. That phrase presumes there are 2 valid sides. There are not 2 sides to the story “the earth is round” is there? The other side — the earth is flat — is just out and out wrong.

“According to the science of evolution human civilization”

There is no “science of evolution for human civilization”. Evolution is not an overarching theory that applies to everything. Darwin’s book was not The Origin of Everything, but was only On the Origin of Species!

History/archeology/anthropology has data indicating that H sapiens were hunter gatherers. Most did not “live in caves” Most lived in portable shelters, either made of wood and/or hides. These are not preserved well, but they are the dwellings of current stone-age hunter gatherers. Many tribes today still live this way. How do they fit into your idea of “progress”? Then came the discovery of agriculture, which allowed larger social groups.

Whatever has happened with with human technology (and knowledge is part of technology) and whether you wish to view that as “progress”, that has nothing to do with evolution.

There is no “progress” in evolution because evolution has no objective criteria to determine if a species is “higher” or “lower” than another. ALL living species have 3.8 billion years of evolution behind them.

The only “purpose” of natural selection is to design a population to earn a living in the current environment. That’s it: earn a living.

v
Vijai Singh
Apr 1, 2023 - 9:12AM
99.249.24.22
Re: What evidence could be used to refute Darwin's theory?

How can you say there aren’t two sides, when there is right and wrong?

I really don’t know where you evolved from, but evolution is a scientific theory, one side of the story where man evolved, and the other side is theological where man was specially created.

Natural selection is a just a scientific theory which is in breach of natural laws. The laws say progression is always downward, my side of the story and the other, your side, it is upwards.

Perhaps, you can just tell me what went so wrong with the man and the universe that there is a need to reject a Creator.

Email  
Apr 1st, 2023 - 9:12 AM
Return to Website  > Index