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A discriminating intellect is that in which knowledge based only on words, real knowledge and ordinary knowledge based on sense perception or reasoning are present in a mixed state and the mind alternates between them.
"When the time of destruction is at hand the intellect becomes perverted." Vridha Chan. 16:17.
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Five Tests of true religion - Feb 08, 2002
  1. It (revelation) must exist in its entirety from the very beginning of creation for all of mankind, and not over a long period of time after.
    Oppose - It is unjust of Yahwe, Allah and Christ, to deprive millions born before the revelation of the Ten Commandments, the Q'uran, and the New Testament of His 'divine wisdom'. An injustice which cannot be the work of a Just, Compassionate and Merciful God.
  2. It must conform with (immutable) Natural laws
  3. Oppose - The cause of the physical body is the reproductive element - any other method as man was created from dust or blood-clot and all other miracles of God and Prophets are a breach to this law.
  4. It must be in harmony with reasoning.
    Oppose - Incest which results in mental and physical infirmities, is an immoral action and it had to be the same also in the beginning (creation of one man and one woman).
  5. It must be in harmony with science.
    Oppose - Modern science has proven creation to be more than 6,000 years old, the earth is spherical and it rotates and revolves, contradictions to the Torah, Bible and Q'uran.
  6. Its truth must be confirmed by four evidences :-
  • Direct Cognition - Not all that is known by perception can be true.
  • Inferences - God is eternal therefore we can infer that there were past creations and as well as there will be future ones.
  • Testimony - The testimonies of Rishis, sages and seers of the Vedas (altruistic teachers are all in harmony with each other.
  • History - There are many books (Mahabharata, Valmiki's Ramayan) and source of other civilization which speak of the past ancient Vedic (Aryas) civilization of 5,000 years ago and earlier.

Let's be reasonable when it comes the most abstruse science of God (wisdom), the ignorant (by repenting) and the wise (by austerity) can never reap the same rewards.

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Vijai Singh
Aug 6, 2021 - 9:46AM
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Dialoge with Lawrence Krauss on Twitter

Lawrence M. Krauss
@LKrauss1
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Jul 31
Just spent the most enjoyable 2 hours online with 120 bright young students from the Philippines, part of FROSH (@wefrosh) dedicated to improving scientific literacy there. It was my honor and pleasure to lecture to them. Fantastic questions! They are the hope of the future.

Vijai Singh
@vjsn
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@LKrauss1
There is only hope if they are told the truth.

"Science without religion is lame; religion without science is blind." Albert Einstein

Lawrence M. Krauss
@LKrauss1
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Jul 31
Replying to
@vjsn
I don't know how many hundreds of time you will continue to send the same tired lines in response to every tweet of mine.. Surely this broken record can end.


Vijai Singh
@vjsn
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Jul 31
Is that what the truth sounds like to you sir, "tired lines" & "broken record"?

All I want to know is why you don't want these young students to be as imaginative as Einstein or smarter than you.


Goldie
@xpert1498
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Jul 31
Replying to
@vjsn
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@LKrauss1
Prof Krauss speaks the truth and only the truth because this is how we do physics!


Vijai Singh
@vjsn
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Aug 1
Physics can't give you the origin of matter, the universe, language, and most important the understanding of natural laws.

"We see the universe marvelously arranged and obeying certain laws but only dimly understand these laws." Einstein


Goldie
@xpert1498
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Aug 1
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@xpert1498

@vjsn
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@LKrauss1
You're indeed a broken record. [those who are not old enough to remember.... broken record means repeating himself]


Vijai Singh
@vjsn
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Aug 1
Repetition is a necessary tool for the wise when disseminating the true knowledge. It makes no sense to move on when the present one is unanswered.

So tell me what he is saying here and we can move on.
"Science without religion is lame...." Einstein

Goldie
@xpert1498
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Aug 1
Replying to
@vjsn
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@LKrauss1
I already answered this question. Don't read 'religion' as traditional religion but as philosophy of science.

Vijai Singh
@vjsn
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Aug 2
No, you haven't and neither did Krauss! It's the reason he is ****** that it is being constantly brought up.

It is the philosophy of science! It is a philosophy that is in harmony with reasoning and science and in conformity with the laws of nature.


Goldie
@xpert1498
Replying to
@vjsn
and
@LKrauss1
Physicists are usually not interested in philosophy, not even philosophy of science, so is not Krauss.. Feynman is a very strong opponent. Einstein, Schrödinger, Dirac and other tried to speculate at the end of their lives often wrong. Physics is about measurements.

Vijai Singh
@vjsn
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17h
Replying to
@xpert1498
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@LKrauss1
I certainly have to give credit where it's due. You're a brave one venturing into a dialogue where Krauss won't go.

Science has its rightful place alright, but only philosophy can tell us where it went wrong.
Out of nothing, nothing can come!

Goldie
@xpert1498
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@vjsn
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@LKrauss1
I think I understand what A.E. is trying to say with this quote. I will try to trivialize it. First there is no religion involved because I think I know his overall religious attitude. Suppose you have a project to do. A technical one. Project = plan + job to be done. Everyone knows both plan and job change with time exactly as E. said about science and religion

Vijai Singh
@vjsn
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16h
Replying to
@xpert1498
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@LKrauss1
Actually, the philosophy he embraced late in his life was there long before religion first took birth 5000 yrs ago.

There had to be a source knowledge because what is instinctive can neither increase nor decrease nor can it help any one make progress.

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