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A discriminating intellect is that in which knowledge based only on words, real knowledge and ordinary knowledge based on sense perception or reasoning are present in a mixed state and the mind alternates between them.

"When the time of destruction is at hand the intellect becomes perverted." Vridha Chan. 16:17.
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Five Tests of true religion - Feb 08, 2002
  1. It (revelation) must exist in its entirety from the very beginning of creation for all of mankind, and not over a long period of time after.
    Oppose - It is unjust of Yahwe, Allah and Christ, to deprive millions born before the revelation of the Ten Commandments, the Q'uran, and the New Testament of His 'divine wisdom'. An injustice which cannot be the work of a Just, Compassionate and Merciful God.
  2. It must conform with (immutable) Natural laws
  3. Oppose - The cause of the physical body is the reproductive element - any other method as man was created from dust or blood-clot and all other miracles of God and Prophets are a breach to this law.
  4. It must be in harmony with reasoning.
    Oppose - Incest which results in mental and physical infirmities, is an immoral action and it had to be the same also in the beginning (creation of one man and one woman).
  5. It must be in harmony with science.
    Oppose - Modern science has proven creation to be more than 6,000 years old, the earth is spherical and it rotates and revolves, contradictions to the Torah, Bible and Q'uran.
  6. Its truth must be confirmed by four evidences :-
  • Direct Cognition - Not all that is known by perception can be true.
  • Inferences - God is eternal therefore we can infer that there were past creations and as well as there will be future ones.
  • Testimony - The testimonies of Rishis, sages and seers of the Vedas (altruistic teachers are all in harmony with each other.
  • History - There are many books (Mahabharata, Valmiki's Ramayan) and source of other civilization which speak of the past ancient Vedic (Aryas) civilization of 5,000 years ago and earlier.

Let's be reasonable when it comes the most abstruse science of God (wisdom), the ignorant (by repenting) and the wise (by austerity) can never reap the same rewards.


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Brahmo Samaj and Ram Mohan Roy

Raja Ram Mohan Roy (1772-1833), was an educated revenue officer from West Bengal and Brahmin and founded the Brahmo Samaj (Brahmo religion) in 1828. Roy’s social reform included a campaign against window burning (sati) and championed the rights of women. Other examples were a rejection of Hindu pantheism and all iconic worship of “graven images,” and a rejection of sacrifices, and avataras. Roy's views were deist based on his belief in one supreme Being, Roy was against the worship of images.

The Brahmo Samaj movement strove toward monotheism, rejected idols, and no longer regarded the Vedas as the sole religious authority. One served God by performing good deeds, promoting charity, morality, piety, and virtue, and respect all religions.

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The Brahmo Samaj movement strove toward monotheism, rejected idols, and no longer regarded the Vedas as the sole religious authority.
Vj ~ Yes, the Brahmo Samaj was the next best society going for India until Swami Dayanand appeared on the scene in 1773.

One served God by performing good deeds, promoting charity, morality, piety, and virtue, and respect all religions.
Vj ~ But here is where it fell out of favor with Arya Samaj founded by Swami Dayanand.
Virtue practiced in ignorance is still ignorance. Respecting all religions simply means you have to respect what is false also.

You have to think when say or write things. You said in the first verse, "Roy was against the worship of images" and in the next to "respect all religions."




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Dayanand Sarawati wanted to be able to get rid of the Agamic Traditons and many non-modern elements. They are accepted in Modern Hinduism as a modern interpreter of Hinduism and later modernists were influenced by him. In the 21st century, all the BAPS Swaminarayan Temples in India and US have gotten rid of household statues. And limited them to the altar in the Temple. Roy's views and Dayanand's ideas have influenced even Orthodox Hindus.

That’s not the point. I respect all religions but don’t believe in idol worship. I believe in one God, one supreme Being, and all religions respected. The Brahma Sabha gathers people of all faiths and encourages the worship of one supreme Being. We do not believe in idol worship. People of all religions and creeds are welcome.

Many things in Roy's views were deist and were against the worship of images. Roy was the recipient of both Hindu and Muslim education and developed a strong symphony for the Unitarian Christians, strengthening the bonds of union between men of all religions and creeds. The Brahma Sabha believes in the equality of all men. We have only one principle: Do unto others as you would expect yourself!
Thank you.

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Roy's views and Dayanand's ideas have influenced even Orthodox Hindus.
Vj ~ You're not even intelligent enough to know the difference between a Rishi and a common individual, so what would you know of Dayanand's ideas?

"Swami Dayananda Saraswati is certainly one of the most powerful personalities who has shaped modem India and is responsible for its moral regeneration and religious revival". Subhash Chandra Bose.

I respect all religions but don’t believe in idol worship.
Vj ~ Here you go again! You don't believe in it because its wrong, so how can you respect what is false?

I believe in one God, one supreme Being, and all religions respected.
Vj ~ You need to have your head examined.
Judaism says "All non-Jews, it says, "are totally satanic creatures in whom there is absolutely nothing good." Hatanya
Christianity says all non-Christians are condemned to an eternal hellfire and Islam says all non-Muslims are infidels.
If you can't see what's wrong here, you're an idiot.
Is this the work of your "one Supreme Being"?

Many things in Roy's views were deist and were against the worship of images.
Vj ~ Any view that is anti-Vedic is false.

We have only one principle: Do unto others as you would expect yourself!
Vj ~ So because you're an idiot it's ok for others to be idiots also?

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The Brahmo Samaj no longer regarded the Vedas as the sole religious authority. Dayanand Sarawati did not understand Hinduism. Dayanand was not the Vedas. Roy was against the worship of images. Roy embraced western, British culture. Roy's views were deist based on his belief in one supreme Being, but he respected all religions. Your kind of bigotry stifles growth, tolerance, and respect for all people.Go and study rather than judging w/o knowledge.

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The Brahmo Samaj no longer regarded the Vedas as the sole religious authority.
Vj ~ Brahmo Samaj should know that God doesn't repeat Himself. This means the Vedas is the first and the last.

"Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something." Plato

I know Dayanand the wise would agree with Plato.

Go and study rather than judging w/o knowledge.
Vj ~ Here is mine where is yours, fool?

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On the Vedas, the Brahmo Samaj no longer regarded the Vedas as the sole religious authority. Based on his belief in one supreme Being, Roy was against the worship of images....Roy's views were deist. Go and study rather than judging w/o knowledge.

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On the Vedas, the Brahmo Samaj no longer regarded the Vedas as the sole religious authority.
Vj ~ Why, their God had a lapse in memory? It would mean it was a religious authority but lost it because some idiot came up with something else.

Based on his belief in one supreme Being, Roy was against the worship of images.
Vj ~ Like Roy, Muslims don't believe in images also. So what's the difference?

Go and study rather than judging w/o knowledge.
Vj ~ Here is what study produced for me. Where is yours dumb-a-s-s?



Re: Brahmo Samaj and Ram Mohan Roy

The Brahmo Samaj do not regard the Vedas as the sole religious authority. Roy was against the worship of images. Roy's views were deist based on his belief in one supreme Being. Go and study rather than judging w/o knowledge.

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The Brahmo Samaj do not regard the Vedas as the sole religious authority. Roy was against the worship of images. Roy's views were deist based on his belief in one supreme Being. Go and study rather than judging w/o knowledge.
"Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something.`" Plato