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A discriminating intellect is that in which knowledge based only on words, real knowledge and ordinary knowledge based on sense perception or reasoning are present in a mixed state and the mind alternates between them.
"When the time of destruction is at hand the intellect becomes perverted." Vridha Chan. 16:17.
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Five Tests of true religion - Feb 08, 2002
  1. It (revelation) must exist in its entirety from the very beginning of creation for all of mankind, and not over a long period of time after.
    Oppose - It is unjust of Yahwe, Allah and Christ, to deprive millions born before the revelation of the Ten Commandments, the Q'uran, and the New Testament of His 'divine wisdom'. An injustice which cannot be the work of a Just, Compassionate and Merciful God.
  2. It must conform with (immutable) Natural laws
  3. Oppose - The cause of the physical body is the reproductive element - any other method as man was created from dust or blood-clot and all other miracles of God and Prophets are a breach to this law.
  4. It must be in harmony with reasoning.
    Oppose - Incest which results in mental and physical infirmities, is an immoral action and it had to be the same also in the beginning (creation of one man and one woman).
  5. It must be in harmony with science.
    Oppose - Modern science has proven creation to be more than 6,000 years old, the earth is spherical and it rotates and revolves, contradictions to the Torah, Bible and Q'uran.
  6. Its truth must be confirmed by four evidences :-
  • Direct Cognition - Not all that is known by perception can be true.
  • Inferences - God is eternal therefore we can infer that there were past creations and as well as there will be future ones.
  • Testimony - The testimonies of Rishis, sages and seers of the Vedas (altruistic teachers are all in harmony with each other.
  • History - There are many books (Mahabharata, Valmiki's Ramayan) and source of other civilization which speak of the past ancient Vedic (Aryas) civilization of 5,000 years ago and earlier.

Let's be reasonable when it comes the most abstruse science of God (wisdom), the ignorant (by repenting) and the wise (by austerity) can never reap the same rewards.

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Perry Hoffman On X
Jan 31, 2024 - 8:41AM
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Deism

Lilith
@Lilith_Atheist
What even is this?
THE EARTH IS NOT FLAT.

Danny H.
@Truth_matters20
Look! An atheist believing ACTUAL science. It's a miracle! You're actually right this time!
Prove that it is
Now I know why he didn't want to go to the doctor.

Perry Hoffman
All man made scriptures, including bibles, korans, and vedas (@vjsn) believed that the earth was flat.
Only deism stood in their way in proclaiming that the earth is round.

The only true religion is deism!
http://deism.com

Vijai Singh
You won!
"Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience." Mark Twain


Perry Hoffman
You've still got a big problem!
Man has the power of making books and calling them revelation.
In the case of the creation no one except God could have done it, but in the case of the vedas men had the power to compose, *******.

Vijai Singh
Veda means knowledge. It's from the root verb, Ved - to know.
"Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish." Euripides

Perry Hoffman
And so?
The word Theology, from Theos, the Greek word for God, means the study and knowledge of God.

Despite that you’ve still got a big problem!

Man has the power of making books and calling them revelation.

It simply means the vedas are a forgery, *******!

Vijai Singh
So, why aren't you happy I'm a *******?

Perry Hoffman
It would please me more if you accepted deism as the only true religion, contemplated the Creation as the only true and real word of God that ever did or ever will exist, and reject, as the fabulous inventions of men, all books pretending to revelation.

Vijai Singh
Are you saying it will please you more Einstein is the *******?
"We owe a lot to Indians, who taught us how to count, without which no worthwhile scientific discovery could have been made." Albert Einstein

Perry Hoffman
No, Einstein was brilliant.
I am telling you that it is a made up quote of hindu missionaries.
What he actually said:
“Science unveils the universe to behold a revelation: the order, the harmony, the magnificence of creation!” Einstein

Perry Hoffman
You're an idiot!
Vedas are not revelation. They come down in writing (second hand).
"It is a contradiction to call anything a revelation that comes to us at second hand, either verbally or in writing. Revelation is necessarily limited to the first communication." Thomas Paine

Vijai Singh
You don't have to convince me that your God couldn't communicate with humans, your stupidity is proof enough.

Don't worry about the Vedas, just tell the world who taught us to read, write and count.

Perry Hoffman
You've still got a big problem! Vedas are not revelation!
"It is a contradiction to call anything a revelation that comes to us at second hand, either verbally or in writing." Paine

Your stupidity is showing. Who says God doesn't communicate? God communicates through Nature.

Vijai Singh
"God communicates through Nature."
Well it seems nature has failed you, since you can't tell me who taught us to read, write and count.

Logic tells me, everything created by an imaginative mind comes with a manual. Creation isn't an exception.

Perry Hoffman
The Manual is creation itself. It is immune to forgery or suppression. It transcends linguistic barriers and needs no intermediaries!
Consider the risks by relying on written scriptures. The potential for distortion or misuse cannot be ignored.
You ask the origin of language?

Vijai Singh
Hey stupid, how can the creation of a plane, a vehicle, a submarine, etc., without a written manual, tells you it's purpose and how to operate and maintain it?

Perry Hoffman
You're not getting it. The creation is the Bible (manual). It is the means that God speaks universally to man.

The Almighty, by displaying the principles of science in the universe, has invited man to study. The principles of science are in the creation, and of divine origin.

Vijai Singh
The manual (Vedas) is how we know science is lame and all other religions, including Deism, are blind.
Merely looking at creation can't tell you that, stupid.

"Science without religion is lame; religion without science is blind." Albert Einstein.

Perry Hoffman
With no recorded knowledge, where else does knowledge come from except creation itself? Yes, the creation is deist's manual.
The only true religion is deism. But all other religions, including Vedas, are blind but the religion of Deism.
Vedas are blind to science of evolution.

Vijai Singh
“The Portuguese, Dutch and British have for a long time ferried huge treasures on big ships from India We Germans had to look on... We take their knowledge. Our Sanskrit scholars provide us with this wealth from India right here in Bonn or Munich.” Heinrich Heine, (1797 – 1856)

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